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Poster: AltheaRose Date: May 29, 2011 5:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Scott-Heron Also Played for Clive

Really, it's such a tragedy. Not just dying at 62, but so many years of addiction for someone who at one time seemed to be such a voice of moral force and integrity. How ironic that he wrote/spoke/sang out not just about racial injustice, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRPRwG1_ayk , but about the life of an addict being a dead end.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWitRABYVBk (Angel Dust, with Whitey on the Moon at the end)

The funk/jazz sound is really from Brian Jackson and those who sat in at various points in the 70s, like Ron Carter. Scott-Heron was, I guess, more of a Robert Hunter -- a poet first, though he took the stage himself.

Btw, it's too bad he's being characterized as the "godfather of rap" -- accurate by accident, maybe, and I get the link for, say, Public Enemy, but rap as I hear it ... well, he's quoted as disliking rap because "you just get a lot of posturing," and I think that's exactly right. Thumping your chest while praising bling and dissing "bitches" isn't what his music/poetry was about.



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Poster: Jack o' Roses Date: May 29, 2011 7:31am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Scott-Heron Also Played for Clive

Having burned off many people's ears myself, in what seems an earlier life of mine, I'd like to offer the Sleeping Prophet's take,

"There we find the entity was torn within self, and yet declaring the sense of duty. Hence oft there was the necessity for subjugating the body through either alcohol or other influences to cause the body to forget." EC 1969-2

This 'need to forget' is a strong & often overwhelming force when one's will is torn between self(ishness) & sense of duty. This is not a bad thing; it is just something that the soul must outgrow. I recall a story that Cayce brought to light about a minister who so railed against the use of alcohol that he came back in his next incarnation as a drunkard to learn the lessons that one must learn about this 'need to forget.'
Recall that Christ was a 'party-goer'(e.g., Mark 2:16 & Luke 7:34 "The Son of man is come eating and drinking; and ye say, Behold a gluttonous man, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners!" To personally paraphrase my understanding of 'what this is,' we've all got to experience many things to learn the right & the wrong in a personal, in-our-face, kind of way & that there is no getting around this fact of being.

Sorry for the Sunday Morning Sermon-I trust it offended no one & perhaps gave one soul something positive to ponder. This is a matter near & dear to me. Whether it be Buddhism, Islam, Christianity/LDS, Cayce's new age, "A Course in Miracles" or any other Path, I urge people to search to understand & over come this 'need to forget.'
Peace to All & Love to Gil,
Jack

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Poster: gsgrateful Date: May 31, 2011 2:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Scott-Heron Also Played for Clive

Hey Jack, yup your post gave me pause to reflect. I had never heard of this 'need to forget' tho i've battled it all my life. Much better now but substance use, legal or not (think sugar and C for example) is always there. and thank God its grass not booze these days as well. Can i ask who is the 'Sleeping Prophet' or EC? I would love some new thoughts/approaches to my personal mystery, used to think it was coz im 100% german. Ive read much spiritual work, including the Bible, but i sent your excerpt to myself in an email with the subject of 'read often'. Appreciate any guidance, gsgrateful at yahoo, fka here as gmarks. new 'handle' peace and harmony, g

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Poster: bluedevil Date: May 29, 2011 10:13am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Scott-Heron Also Played for Clive

He and the Last Poets do deserve the label of godfathers of rap (if you want to discount the whole west african griot tradition). Anyway, Gil's own response is more on point:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMLXkPGvhnE

Don't proffer a rap point of view taken from Hannity and O'Reilly. Gil did a lot of work with Mos Def in the last few years.

As for Gil not being a musician, please, I saw him more than 20 times over the past 25 years - some of his shows at SOB's and Ronnie Scotts are among the best musical nights of my life - and in my view Gil could more than hold his own on the bandstand. It's not like Ron Carter was doing Gil a favor.

And yes, Gil was among the first signees by Clive to Arista. Clive has been a fairly decent judge of talent over the years.

Michael Franti was a close friend of Gil's and often got the task of trying to take care of him when he was in the Bay Area. The pipe often won. Gil and Stevie Wonder, one of Gil's biggest champions, had been in recent talks about an upcoming collaboration, but death will prevent that. If his death helps people discover his work, then, welcome. Sorry it's too late to see him live....

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: May 29, 2011 11:23am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Scott-Heron Also Played for Clive

Do Hannity and O'Reilly have a point of view on rap? Sorry, I wouldn't know.

Didn't say he wasn't a musician, bd; I said he was a poet first, like Hunter. Who of course is also a musician, but has been influential because of his words. Not a perfect comparison, obviously, and I'm far from knowledgeable about Gil Scott-Heron; but his music was definitely part of my world in the 70s, when it seemed honest and excitingly cutting edge and idealistic. It's sad he's gone.